A Common Insanity


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There is a common insanity today. It is that we have separated all that we hold dear from reality: we have separated values from facts. As a result, morality has become a matter of personal preference, a sort of delusion that we indulge in. If separation has created the problem, a marriage of the two will fix it. So let’s do it. Let’s marry it. Here we go: All things are moral, from the rocks and the trees to the birds in the sky, even man himself. All things are for an end and all things are for a use. Water is good to drink, coal to burn, and wool to wear. A thing is good insofar as a working together of parts and efforts serves its proper end. This is essential to any being. A thwarting of that end or a misuse of it is wrong. Wool cannot be drunk, water cannot be spun, coal cannot be eaten. Each of these things in nature is an education to the mind, an education in proper use. Just like water has its proper use, so does a man and woman. A man cannot be a woman and a woman cannot be a man. Any argument that asserts otherwise requires the separation of nature from morality; a separation of facts from values. Marry them together and we have a foundation for right and wrong. Separate them and we merely have cultural preferences that aren’t founded in anything real; in short, a delusion.

Things have their proper use. Natural things are made to serve a certain end. We all look at something and ask “What it is for? What is its purpose?” Nature does have a purpose after all, doesn’t it? Things are made and formed in certain ways and not others. This is indeed evidence for God. If things produced an infinite variety of ends, i.e. if water was sometimes for making thread, if coal was sometimes for drinking, and never at any time could we figure out what was going to be produced next, there would be no such thing as purpose. There would only be chaos and we would not have evidence for God. But, things do happen quite regularly, don’t they. There is order. There is a God.

Nature is the ally of religion.

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9 thoughts on “A Common Insanity

  1. All things are for an end and all things are for a use. Water is good to drink, coal to burn, and wool to wear. A thing is good insofar as a working together of parts and efforts serves its proper end.

    No. 657: MICKEY’S ARGUMENT FROM FOOD
    (1) Look at all the great food for us to eat.
    (2) God must have designed it for us.
    (3) Therefore, God exists.

    No. 271: ARGUMENT FROM BUFFALO, a.k.a. DESIGN/TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (IX)
    (1) The Indians used every part of the buffalo.
    (2) A creature we can use every part of couldn’t have just randomly evolved!
    (3) It had to be created specifically for us!
    (4) Therefore, God exists (and spent his early years churning out buffalo).

    There would only be chaos and we would not have evidence for God. But, things do happen quite regularly, don’t they. There is order. There is a God

    No. 234: ARGUMENT FROM THE 2nd LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS (II)
    (1) All systems become chaotic.
    (2) The Universe, too, will become chaotic.
    (3) Only God can keep the Universe orderly.
    (4) Therefore, God exists

      1. It’s easy to refute someone else’s argument, isn’t it?

        Depends on the strength of the argument.
        Some arguments are good and they pursuade me to adopt them.
        Yours?
        Not so much.

        Water is good to drink? Really? This strikes you as a humdinger of an argument? It’s childish, magical thinking.
        Your “evidence” for your brand name magic man in the sky has not left banana land.

        Ray Comfort banana argument gets pwned

  2. As an atheist I will suggest another possibility. Before I begin let me assure you that anything I say is not meant to be insulting. Sometimes there is a miscommunication.
    I understand that since things work magically together that it is easy to assume divine design. But I feel it just as easily is a good argument for evolution. These elements, plants, animals, people haven’t always been a perfect match. This is shown in the extinction of many creatures. Dinosaurs are an obvious fact. Something didn’t work well with them and thus they died. But over the millions of years we’ve evolved to share our world. All these elements have grown together. If they chose not to then they simply died off and went extinct.
    Not knowing the exact reason is not a justifiable reason to fill with god. It handicaps our growth as a species and keeps us from exploring the unknown.
    Just my two cents. Thanks for the read.
    -Adam

    1. nonprophetadam,

      I see that you think God and evolution are incompatible with one another. You must accept the explanation that evolution is unguided. I accept evolution, but unguided evolution is something I find to be contradictory; but that’s been dealt with in previous posts. You indicate that things working together, that these elements in nature have grown together simply because, if they did not, they would die off and go extinct. This would be a plausible explanation of the “working together of nature” that we see if the world could not have evolved otherwise. But, as you are committed to unguided evolution, if the film of evolution were rewound and started again, things could have turned out quite differently. In fact, there would be a near infinite number of ways in which this world could have evolved. To say that the world evolved in this one particular way is just to say, “This is just the way it is.” When understood properly, your explanation is quite lazy. For the very thing we are trying to explain is the fluid coherence with which all things work together as part of a whole, and cannot be explained apart from the whole it is contained in. There are far many more ways in which the parts could have NOT worked together.

       

      Now, If feel it quite possible that unguided evolution could have produced the coherence of the parts and the whole, but I do not think it is plausible. There are just too many alternative non-working-together ways that could have developed.

       

      After having addressed the previous subject, I feel it neccessary to point out that you have not addressed my arguments. Argument #1: A separation of nature from morality, of values from facts, has caused our modern notion of morality to be nothing more than a convenient delusion. A rejoining of the two (nature and morality) will fix the problem and provide a solid foundation for right and wrong seeing as how we apprehend that things in nature have a proper use and an improper use. Argument #2: Things in nature regularly produce the same effects and thereby show purpose. This regularity is evidence of purpose in nature. A small rubber ball will bounce on a cement floor, all things being equal and unhindered by outside influence. It regularly does so and does not… say… roll flat on the floor the second time we throw it, turn into a pumpkin the third time we throw it, change colors the fourth time we throw it, spontaneously combust the fifth time we throw it, and so on. If such outcomes happened, we could never make sense of reality. But, there is regularity. There is order. There is an intrinsic purpose that we see in nature. The materials involved in each individual thing in nature have been guided to form a chain of cause and effect to produce a certain effect and to produce it every time the chain of cause and effect is actuated. This is purpose. This guidance, this form, is given. It does not happen through unguided nature any more than an espresso maker forms out of unguided tools– tools without a person using them.

      1. Things in nature regularly produce the same effects and thereby show purpose.

        Ah. Of course.

        A small rubber ball will bounce on a cement floor, all things being equal and unhindered by outside influence.

        Except for the angels sent to keep the ball bouncing.

        The materials involved in each individual thing in nature have been guided to form a chain of cause and effect to produce a certain effect and to produce it every time the chain of cause and effect is actuated.

        Yep. No angels- no rubber ball bouncing. Stands to reason.

        So…where did the rubber ball bouncing angels come from?
        Hmm.
        Well, they come from the geographically specific god that you are lucky enough to be already worshipping.
        Right?

        Oh Dan.

        Je n’avais pas besoin de cette hypothèse-là.

  3. I’m totally confused by this mess of non-sequiturs and bizarre analogies. Is morality a personal preference or a cultural preference ? Rocks and trees are moral ? How would you be able to tell a moral tree from an immoral tree ? You seem to be saying that being useful implies morality – but useful to whom ? If I throw the rock at you does that make the rock immoral ?

    The fact that “things” work within an observable system does not convey morality – only that for now, with current conditions the system is behaving as we’ve come to expect it to. What purpose does a colorful sunset have ? None except what we chose to provide it with … feeling of awe, peace, it’s not raining. We have come to expect things to happen in a certain way because they do. The only “purpose” in nature is survival – rocks don’t care if they survive or not.

    “God” didn’t make this perfect (earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes ?) world for US, we’re here in our current form as a response to our environment. If the world (3rd planet from the sun) was different then we would be different – in form, in consciousness and on and on. When the world changes we will change or become extinct – it’s nature … the laws of physics,which does not contain value. It is valuable to us because we have decided it is.

    Some people see the virgin Mary in a piece of burnt toast.

    I see no sign of any god in the current natural order.

    1. “The fact that “things” work within an observable system does not convey morality ”

      That’s because you’ve grown up in a culture that has separated values from facts. It’s sort of natural for you to feel this way. You need to step outside your culture and view things in a different way. Otherwise, it is all preference; cultural and personal.

      “What purpose does a colorful sunset have ? None except what we chose to provide it with”

      Again, this is evidence that you have unknowingly separated values from facts. You’re really just supporting what I’m saying here. You’re lost in a sea of relativism. As a result, you feel that you have to value things that are, in of themselves, not actually valuable; you must attribute beautiful to things that really aren’t beautiful. It’s a useful delusion to help you get through life; a common insanity.
      ,
      ““God” didn’t make this perfect (earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes ?) world for US”

      First, that’s a statement of belief and therefore reached by faith. Can you provide proof that God didn’t make the world? Second, you are assuming that God, if he were to make the world, would make it with your happiness as his aim. Therefore, if it is a perfect world, it would make you happy. That is NOT what Christianity says, and that is NOT what I believe. You have to ask, what is the purpose for which God made the world? If you can answer that question correctly, then you can make accusations related to it. Your assumption of God’s purpose being your happiness is… well.. an assumption.

      1. That’s because you’ve grown up in (…) natural for you to feel this way. You need to step outside(…)this is evidence that you have unknowingly(…)You’re really just(…)You’re lost in a sea of(…) you feel that you have to(…)you must attribute(…)a useful delusion to help you get through life…

        You see, Leanne? It’s all about you.
        You, you, you, you and of course…you.
        You are to blame here.
        You can’t appreciate the inner logic of what Dan is saying because of your own faults.
        Oh dear.

        Can you provide proof that God didn’t make the world?

        Can you provide proof that pixies didn’t make the world?

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