A Changing God

I do not necessarily believe the following:

When did God decide that he would send His Son to die for our sins? The Bible says he was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world (1 Peter 1:19-20) It would seem that God decided this before man took of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. But maybe not. Which world was God talking about? Some people claim there are two worlds mentioned in the Bible, an old world and a new world. 2 Peter 2:5 mentions an old world. This old world was the world before the flood. The new world was the world after the flood. Psalm 24:1-2 says this new world was established on the floods.

So here’s how his works:

  1. God had one plan for creation from the beginning.
  2. Adam sinned.
  3. Man became depraved.
  4. God saw his plan was not working anymore.
  5. God sent the flood to destroy everything making a new world.
  6. God started over with a new plan. (Jesus dying for our sins)

However, the earth may have been established on the floods from the beginning of creation as suggested by this video that discusses the hydroplate theory:

So… what’s the point of believing there are two worlds?

Maybe God didn’t know that man was going to sin. And God didn’t necessarily put the tree of knowledge of good and evil there to give man a choice. I’m sure that was part of it, but God may have intended for man to eventually eat of the fruit once he had matured. The fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil was not inherently wrong. The tree didn’t bring death. Man’s actions did. Death came by sin. This may be illustrated by the following story of a little girl riding in a car with her father. She asks, “What is sex daddy?” Her father said nothing but continued the journey and eventually parked the car. He got out and asked his daughter to carry his briefcase. She pulled the briefcase out of the car and it fell heavily to the ground. She tried to pick it up but could not do so. As he watched this struggle her father replied, “Some things are too much for you to handle at this age. Just like this briefcase some subjects you will not be able to carry correctly till you mature.”

So, God may have intended for us to eat of the tree of knowledge at a certain time in the future.

Conversely, the tree of life was supposed to make man live forever. Both trees were in the midst of the garden. The principle follows that when I would do good, evil is present with me. If Adam was to choose the tree of life, the tree of knowledge of good and evil was there as well. This leads me to believe that Adam had not eaten of the tree of life because man obviously does not live forever. Gen 3:22 further relates that man should not be allowed to eat of the tree of life because then he would live forever in sin. The power of life was apparently more potent than death. However, the ban might have eventually been lifted on the tree of knowledge once man had matured.

I said all this to say that God may have waited to see what man would do before he decided to send his son to die for us. But does this mean he didn’t know what man was going to do? This thought seems to violate a natural attribute of God: Omniscience (all-knowing). So… God doesn’t know the future? What am I saying?

God gave man freewill, the ability to choose. Man is the wild card of creation choosing this or that at whim. However, God does know your thoughts before you think them as evidenced in Psalms 139. Could not God have known what Adam was going to think and know he was going to sin? But if this is true, then God provided the tree planning that man would sin and accordingly, Jesus was the lamb slain from the foundation of the “old world.”

What if it is true that God had one plan for the old world and a replacement plan for the new world. Does God change like that? Does he know the future or choose not to know? The Bible has a few stories where God changes his mind.

  1. God was going to destroy the Israelites and Moses stopped him. (Exodus 32:9-14)
  2. God was going to destroy the city of Nineveh but changed his mind after they repented. (The Book of Jonah)
  3. God divorced Israel and said he would take them back if they repented. Jeremiah 3:8-11
  4. God changes people from the outside in (Old Testament), God changes people from the inside out (New Testament)

It would seem that God’s mind can be changed by the will of man. Let me stress before we go any further that God’s character doesn’t change but his actions can be changed. I don’t know how that works if God knows the future though. It may be that this is just the way that God likes to do things: i. e. Wait and see what man is going to do.

So here are my questions to the reader:

  1. Did God change plans?
  2. If God changed plans, what was his first plan?
  3. Are there really two worlds?
  4. What do you think about the Hydroplate Theory?
  5. Does this really affect our lives?

10 thoughts on “A Changing God

  1. The real questions is do you believe that God is, and has always been all-knowing? I do believe He is all-knowing, therefore, God does not change His plans, he already has them set in order from before the beginning of time. . .

  2. This is serious theology. The question is… did God plan for the misery on the earth or did He implement the the plan of salvation during the flood knowing that Noah and his family were already sinners and would need redemption?

    Psalm 24

    The earth is the Lords and the fullness thereof the world (Second world) and they that dwell therein. For He has founded it upon the seas and established it upon the floods. This would seem that this new world after the old was founded on the seas and established on the floods. Was this when the plan of salvation was born.? Jesus Christ was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world and that is referring to this world. it is obvious there were two worlds the preflood world and the world after the flood which was drastically changed. It seems that God created the first world hoping for the best. But man sinned, angels sinned, anomalies were born. Things got so bad the God was forced to destroy it. This new world began with sin which God would have to deal with and thus Jesus became the lamb that would have to be sacrificed to destroy the sins of the world. “The Lamb slain before the foundation of the world.

  3. By the way, it’s Psalm, not Psalms. I say “By the way” because I intend to post something else here too. Consider this pre-emptive with only peripheral relevance to the subject. I feel political just now.

  4. Okay. In answer to the question, “If God changes plans, what was his first plan?” First of all I want to say I love that you asked this question. Now, despite what the Calvinists think, I believe God had a plan that was sabotaged by man. Planning for failure is secondary to the primary plan. What the primary plan is, no one knows but God. I speculate that Adam and Eve would have been tutored by Christ to some end. Who knows, but the two trees were meant perhaps as milestones in Man’s maturity as you suggested. Perhaps Adam and Eve would grow to be patriarchical rulers of some kind passing down wisdom learned from God. Eventually, I suspect, others would have grown in wisdom too and might have shot off into space to rule new worlds.
    I’ve heard roughly 100 billion people have lived on this planet over the last 6000 years. Could earth support that many? Not as we know it, probably. But then earth back then is specualted by scientists to have had a canopy of water surrounding the earth which may have had a pressurizing effect on the
    environment. The pressurized oxygen would have caused wild plant growth by todays standards and may have provided enough to support the whole 100 billion. But eventually space would come into the picture, I guess.
    That what I have so far. I do think its immportant to think about this. That way we know that we missed out on something. But I think we’ll know what it is we missed out on once we have it again, though perhaps not exactly as originally planned. We better have some idea now too of what we missed, otherwise I would hardly say we know God at all.

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